Thread on Wright-pat afb hangar-18
HANGER18.THD Summary: this file is a thread from the Fido computer network UFO Echo, early 1989, about Hanger 18 at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. It has long been rumored that a UFO was stored there at some time. This file consists of messages, edited for relevance, that say that the UFO is no longer there, if it ever was. There is also a description of another wreck that was brought in to the Great Lakes Naval Base. Also, another one collected by the Army and stored temporarily in a firehouse. File length just over four typed pages. An additional source for this subject is "The Roswell Incident"by Bill Moore and Charles Berlitz.====From: John Frey To: Steven Northover 15-Jan-89 I know that Aquarius exists. A close relative of mine wasstationed at Great Lakes Naval Base when they brought in under VERYHEAVY security a crashed UFO that was supposedly shot down by aaircraft carrier back in the early '50s. Also I have another relative that worked at Wright Patterson whosaid "I've seen some strange business that I can't talk about", whenI asked about the rumors the UFO's stored there.* Origin: Astral Board (1:129/39.0) 1(412)8246566====From: John Frey To:Kevin Colquitt 29-Jan-89 My aunt used to work at Wright-Pat. but they live far away in Indiana now so I don't get to talk to her as much as I would like. Anyway she heard many stories about strange experiments being carried out by scientists there.* Origin: Astral Board * Home of UFO echo * (1:129/39.0)====From: John Frey To: Joe Holland 22-Jan-89 Well,I don't know any major details about it other than what I told except that it was structually damaged badly and they picked up alot of wreckage. I don't know why they shot it or if there were any bodies but I do know that my relative was asigned to moving some of the material into a building late at night under TIGHT security. They made him go through a metal detector before he left.* Origin: Astral Board * Home of UFO echo * (1:129/39.0)====From: Dick Copits To: John Frey 20-Jan-89 I lived in Dayton and worked at Wright-Pat in fairborn for yearsand although there were lots of rumors about UFO's, no one ever sawanything dealing with them. I have been in EVERY building and hangaron that base, and believe me, there ain't no such animal. You nowhave an authoratative source that says - wherever they is, theyain't at Wright-Pat.!!!* Origin: (c)1988 Rogers & Blake (508)373-2204 (1:324/120)====From: John Frey To:Dick Copits 23-Jan-89 Hangar 18 exists! Notice I did not say there was a UFO in it. Itwould be stupid to keep it in the same place long. A UFO that crashed in PA was taken by a lot of people from the Army back in the 50's. It was in the newspaper and a local reporter researched it and found that it was taken by a Cleveland, OH group. The TV reporter was unable to find any members of the group (since it broke up in the late '50s) but did find a eyewitness of the recovery operation that was a volunteer fireman. All the wreckage was hauled from the crash site to the firehouse and later moved out with the army. The reporter is very credible and so is the eyewitness.* Origin: Astral Board * Home of UFO echo * (1:129/39.0)====From Joe Holland to Dick Copits 1/25/89 On what date did you first get into Hanger 18? Recently, or somelong time ago? Here below, for comparison, are three messages sent into Paranet Alpha AZ last April. After posting these, George Ray nevercame on again with the follow up he was expecting to get. Also, I have documentation that Senator Goldwater was deniedaccess to Hanger 18. (This item is corrected further on in thisfile). And you got in easily, with no instructions about secrecy?---------------------------------------------------------------------Paranet messages:Msg: #7816 01-APR-88 From: George Ray To: Jim Delton Jim why dont you go to Wright-Pat. AFB in ILL. (see latercorrection) and see if you can get inside of the large black hangerat the back of the base, after you have seen the inside of it thencome tell me the A.F. doesn't believe in UFOs.====Msg: #7837 01-APR-88 From: George Ray To: Nick Ianuzzi The entire time that I was in the Air Force (over 12 years) Ionly knew one person who had actually been inside that structure.That was because he worked there. It seems that the government didnot like the job that the Security Police (AF COPS) were doing so thecontrol of this hanger and surrounding buildings was placed into thehands of the N.S.A. and the Federal Police Agency (supposedly abranch of the U.S. Marshall's Office, Under the Dept. of Justice).Anyway prior to the security exchange this person had to do aninventory. He said that the items that were in those buildingscould not be beleived. He told me some of what he had seen but thetime I just blew it off. This was almost ten years ago, I will tryto get hold of him this weekend to see if he will restate for mejust what he saw and I will give you a full report when I get itonto a disk and upload it. Hopefully that should be done by Wed atthe outside.====Msg: #7839 01-APR-88 From: George Ray To: Jim Delton Jim, I left an earlier message in regards to this. But I can tellyou this while stationed at an Alert Site in Alaska, we scrambledmore than once on objects that were not aircraft, the pilots wouldnot tell us what they saw, yet after every time this happened allaircrews involved were immediately rotated back to the home station.Even when they would wind up back out there with us they would nottell us what they had seen. I know that this happened four timeswhile I was stationed there and I could not tell you how many timestotal that it has happened. I just have to accept that they sawsomething that was not of standard aircraft design and until they areallowed to come forward with eye-witness reports, it will continueto be a rumor generating mill.(End Paranet messages of April 1, 1988. Fido thread resumes here)---------------------------------------------------------------------From: Dick Copits To: Joe Holland 30-Jan-89 Joe - First, and I think symptomatic of the messages - WrightPatterson AFB is NOT in Ill!!! It's in Fairborne Ohio, a shortdistance from Dayton. It's also the home of the Air Force LogisticsCenter, a SAC refueling wing and the home of the analysis section forspacecraft observation photos. Hangar 18 is very visible from Harshman road, generally has (andalways had) the doors open so that you can see in it with a good pairof binoculars, and is painted (at least since 1946) grey! When you goto the Air Force Museum, look past the xb-70 and there it is. Noguards, No searchlights, No barbed wire, and in fact if you come infrom the third street gate you can almost drive right up to it. Joe -this is a MYSTIQUE that has been propagated by people such as yourfriend who maybe even visited WP (even though it's never been inIll...). In fact, take a weekend and fly into Dayton and drive over thereand see for yourself. It's an open base, and unless you screw aroundthe SAC planes you can pretty much move around and take pictures atwill. How long ago am I talking about? Last year. When was I there?During the 60-70 era. My brother is still working there, has for thelast 29 years, and knows everyone who is anyone on the base. Believeme, there's no UFO there, no parts there, and nothing else. Comments?* Origin: (c)1988 Rogers & Blake (508)373-2204 (1:324/120)====From: Dick Copits To: Joe Holland 30-Jan-89 Joe - why do you think those messages have the dates they do?April 1 !!!* Origin: (c)1988 Rogers & Blake (508)373-2204 (1:324/120)====From Joe Holland to Dick Copits 2/3/89 Now, if we can take this apart somewhat, maybe we can study theanatomy of a myth, or else find out why this information iscontradictory. Well, OK, I am accepting your description that hanger18 is accessible. >How long ago am I talking about? Last year. When was I there?During the 60-70 era. My brother is still working there, has for thelast 29 years< The remaining question then would be the dates. Its a long time,42 years, back to 1947 when the UFO crashed in New Mexico. Theremight also be a question about which building it is. The Goldwater letter, which I will post separately, is dated1979, and refers to an earlier time. Someone should find out fromhim, how much earlier. But what I missed before is that the letterdoes not say hanger 18, but rather "a facility at Wright Patterson".This letter appears on page 41 of the Nov 88 issue of UFO Universe. But an introduction on page 3 has already assumed that this isHanger 18. Also in this introduction, Senator Goldwater is quoted inanother quotation, but this again does not say Hanger 18, but "in thebuilding where the information is stored". Note the word is not "theUFO" but "the information". The magazine appears not to have strictlyconformed in the text, to the evidence that it presented. The April 1 letter from George Ray refers to a time "almost tenyears" earlier. This is in conflict with what I assume you said inyour message, quoted above, about 29 years. Since you are on thescene, I give my credence to you. George Ray was quoting secondhand, and might have never been to Wright-Patterson, or so it mightseem from having gotten the location wrong. I noticed the April 1st date, and regarded it with suspicion,when I first re-ran the message into Paranet last year. But I missedthe wrong location of Wright-Patterson, so I'm glad I chose torepeat all three messages this time, instead of just one.*Source: Third World, Chatsworth CA 1(818)7009591====From Joe Holland to All 2/3/89 Here is one of the letters from Senator Barry Goldwater aboutWright-Patterson:-------------------------------------------------------------------- United States Senate Commitee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation Washington DC 20510April 11, 1979Mr. Lee M Graham526 West MapleMonrovia, California 91016Dear Mr. Graham:It is true I was denied access to a faclity atWright-Patterson. Because I never got in, I can'ttell you what was inside. We both know about therumors.Apart from that, let me make my position clear: Ido not beleive that we are the only planet, and ofsome two billion that exist, that has life on it. Ihave never seen what I would call a UFO, but I haveintelligent friends who have, so I can sort of argueeither way.Sincerely,(Signature)Barry Goldwater.---------------------------Source: UFO Universe (magazine) Nov 88 page 41 See also page 3. 351 W. 54th ST. NY, NY 10012.====From Joe Holland to Dick Copits 2/3/89 Wright Patterson is plainly marked on my AAA Road Atlas as onthe east side of Dayton, Ohio. Everything should be so easy tocheck! I had meant to look it up, but it never occured to me someonewould miss on a thing like that. Well, I'm the one who goes aroundreminding people that things may be easier to check than you think,and trying to get people to do it. If that story is true about the crashed disk, then the disk wentsomewhere. Why they would move it a long distance would be aquestion, although there could be a number of reasons. If theexpertise for rebuilding craft existed back then at Wright-Patterson,as it does now, then that's a possible answer. Also, you say theylook at the space photos there. However, it would have soon become evident, from yourdescription, that Wright-Patterson was not a highest security area,so it would have been reasonable to move it.-------------------File prepared by Joe Holland, 2/23/89.
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