Cbc interviews abduct. researcher david Jacob's
02 Jul 91 11:37:00
By: Bryce Eckstein, LATTICE~ (147/66)
Re: Re: CBC Documentary
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I had not heard of David Jacobs prior to listening to the broadcast, so I can't
really comment on the apparent dichotomy in his position on the abduction
issue.
However, here are all the literal transcriptions of the Jacobs clips from the
program:
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Jacobs:
"Basically what people say is, that they are abducted out of their normal
environment and are taken into this object, their clothes are taken off,
they are given a physical examination of an unusual variety, -- and here we
go plunging into the bizarre, but this is what is reported by virtually
everyone -- they have a sperm and/or an egg sample taken from them and they
are then subjected to a variety of other procedures -- sometimes they are
presented with extraordinary-looking, little babies, uhh, strange looking
beings that they are required to hold and then they are sometimes given
machine examinations - placed inside machines and so forth, and then they
are released. Now, a lot of other things happen, but they do not always
happen at every occasion".
Host:
"Do they describe how the sperm and egg samples are taken?"
Jacobs:
well, eggs are taken internally, with certain very carefully described
instruments. Sperm is collected strictly mechanically. There are are
actually three or four different kinds of devices, basically they are all
the same though, and oftentimes the man doesn't even know what is
happening, it's a very quick procedure.
What you are looking at primarily here is an extraordinary convergence of
story and detail, a richness of detail that is impossible to understand
other than through objective reality. People begin to describe certain
things within the abduction - phenomenon that have never, ever been
publicized and that they would simply not know to invent. They all
essentially say the same thing, over and over again... and they'll say
things and look at me inquiringly and say, "has anybody else ever reported
anything like this?" .. and of course I've already heard it 200 times..
and it's just an extraordinary situation. Now physically, when people think
they have had an abduction experience, they might first of all say that
there was a missing time experience, they cannot account for two hours
of their life. For instance they'll travel from work to home and they know
it takes 12 minutes each way and they've been doing it for years and then
one day it takes two ~hours~ and 12 minutes and they are at a loss to explain
this, it seemed perfectly seemless to them. Well, in every one of these
situations of missing time, the people have actually ~been~ missing. It's
not a situation where they claim it, and then independent investigation has
revealed that they were down at the corner bar bending the old elbow. In
fact, people have called the police, because of missing children, search
parties have been organized looking for people, there has been every
evidence to suggest that people are not in place. The problem here is that
if it is not an objective event, then it is automatically internally
generated - people are just dreaming it up for whatever reason. But the
psychological and the psychiatric community have been unable to account for
how this could possibly be, and there is no precedent for it in
psychological or psychiatric literature - and most psychologists and
psychiatrists and therapists of all types who have confronted this, have
simply drawn a blank. It does not ~seem~ to be imaginary, it does not
~seem~ to be internally generated".
(Lengthy Betty Hill clip, continuing the abduction experience)
Host:
Betty and Barney Hill's abduction was the first ever reported. That was 29
years ago. There have been so many reported abductions since, that
investigators are able to point to what ~they~ see as an amazing similarity
among these stories. All have the same sorts of events. Aliens that look
the same, the same physical examinations and so on. A key element here is
that certain features of these stories are withheld from the public. That
makes it much more difficult for anyone to fake an abduction story. But
it's frustrating. We'd all like to know what some of these ~secret~
features are. But you can't ask the researchers to reveal them... can you?
Dr. David Jacobs."
Jacobs:
Sure you can. There's so many of them, there's so little that is known
about this subject in the public that it's just an extraordinary situation.
For instance, one of the things that people describe that can now be
revealed... as they say .. is the fact that when they leave their car or
their house or their bedroom or wherever they are during an abduction
event, they say something extraordinary, sort of amazing that makes no sense
whatsoever and they all seem to say this. They say that they float up into
the air and they appear to be floating directly through a closed window.
Now, this is an extraordinary thing or course, and it's outrageous and
unbelievable on the face of it. yet they ~all~ say it, and they ~all~
realize when they are saying it that it sounds crazy, and we have
carefully, carefully questioned them about whether they stopped first and
opened the window and the screen and the whole business... we don't have
any cases of them opening the window, they ~all~ say that they do this..
every one of them... and the question is, why would they say this, this is
a dumb thing to say... this is a thing to say that will obviously point to
some sort of imagination or a hoax. But they're all fairly adamant that
that's what happens. We don't of course, understand what is happening here
completely, this is a little detail that just has not been published
before.
Host:
Don't you think I could come to you Dr. Jacobs knowing the little I know
about abduction stories. read a few more, then come to you and say .. look.
I had this strange experience, make up a bunch of details and make a
convincing story?"
Jacobs:
Well, there are two ways to deal with that. Number one, 90 percent of the
abduction phenomenon has not been publicized, so you'd have to bee on
target pretty good {chuckling} it's very tough to do. You'd be amazed how
difficult it is. In fact, I teach one of the few ... the only course
actually on UFO's in the United States at a major university. I will tell
students... give them an assignment if they wish, to make up an abduction
event and I will tell them they can read anything that they want.. it
doesn't matter, and I want them to tell me several facts that ~all~
abductees say ~all~ the time, without exception.. just to see it they can
hit it. In the four years I've been doing this, no one has hit it yet. What
we are finding with the abduction phenomenon is that is an extremely
routinized, highly structured event. Certain things happen to people and
that's all .. in other words, people don't describe going up .. and then
your sort of all over the place... y'know they don't describe getting out
the scrabble set and playing alien scrabble and that sort of stuff.. they
don't describe sitting down for a royal meal .. and they don't describe
watching tv with the boys. There is a whole range of things that are never,
ever described. What ~is~ described is very, ~very~ narrow, and very, very
structured. You have to go where the evidence leads you. I think that
people are actually describing experiences that have befallen them. I think
that aliens are in fact taking human beings..... I must say Jay, (Jay
Ingram - program host) that I don't like this business. I find it extremely
disturbing, very depressing. I wish that I had not found this and I wish
that ~all~ researchers had not found this. But we have found it. I think we
have to start coming to terms with this on a fairly serious basis, even
though this is about as way out as one can get in this society these days.
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I don't know if what David Jacobs says in the documentary squares with what
you've heard of him in the past, but this is his position at this moment.
I hope the information has proven useful to you and others reading.
Cheers
Bryce
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